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Post by Lorie Taylor on Mar 31, 2008 1:18:23 GMT -6
 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Timeline Of Events For Kathleen Feb. 14 1992 - Drew Peterson and Kathleen Savio Valentine's Day trip to Jamaica Feb. 18 1992 - Drew Peterson and Victoria Rutkiewicz No-Fault Divorce Final 1992 - Drew Peterson and Kathleen Savio Married 1993 - Kathleen Savio at Hinsdale hospital for a head injury blamed on Drew Peterson 1997 - Kathleen Peterson began getting anonymous letters re: husband Drew Peterson was cheating 1997 - Drew Walter Peterson and Kathleen Savio Peterson have will drawn (Will Co. IL) 2001 - Stacy Ann Cales began relationship with Drew Peterson, Bolingbrook police officer 2002 - Kathleen Peterson began filing series of complaints agains Drew Peterson for abuse - Kathleen Peterson filed protection order that Drew Peterson threatened to kill her - Kathleen Peterson began divorce from Drew Peterson - Kathleen Peterson letter outlining pattern of abusing and threats from Drew Peterson - Kathleen Peterson filed complaint against Drew Peterson trashed their home - Order Of Protection - Kathleen Peterson www.amw.com/pdf/peter001.PDF 2003 - Kathleen and Drew Peterson divorce finalized - Drew Peterson and Stacy Cales married Feb. 26 2004 - Sue Doman, Kathleen sister says that Kathleen called her and said she just felt so strongly that Drew was going to kill her and make it look like an accident. March 1 2004 - Kathleen Savio [Peterson] mysteriously found dead drowned in waterless bathtub - Steve Carcerano - I was coming home from work that evening, and entering the subdivision, coming down our street, and Drew pulled up next to me in the police officer's car and he asked me to go to the house within the next 10, 15 minutes. He had a locksmith coming to the house. And myself and her best friend, who's my neighbor,were going to go to the house. At that time, I pulled up in the driveway. I went next door and got her best friend. We went to the house. The locksmith was there. He opened the front door, and her and I proceeded to walk upstairs. Drew stayed downstairs by the foyer with the locksmith. She walked towards the bed, I walked towards the closet. And then I left the closet area, went into the bathroom. I noticed an exercise ball or a balloon that I seen in the bathtub and I � as I walked closer towards it, I seen that it was Kathy naked. At that point, I screamed for her best friend. Her best friend came in there. She started screaming, and that's when Drew came up the stairs immediately. Upon seeing Kathy, he started screaming, Oh, my God, oh, my God, what am I going to tell my kids? Very emotional at that time. Drew he checked her pulse. The only blood that I noticed was at the bottom of the bathtub going into the drain that was dried. There was a little blood coming from the nose area. I did not notice any blood in her hair. Her hair was wet, but I did not notice any blood at all. So that � I don't know about that stuff that's been said about the blood-soaked hair because I did not notice that, and I was first on the scene. Another Rendition - John Gibson, Co-Host GIBSON: Can you tell us what happened that night. Why was that you went in the house and you found the body while Drew stayed outside? That has seemed suspicious to a lot of people. CARCERANO: Sure. I was coming back from work that evening and I saw Drew in the subdivision. He pulled up to my car and asked me to go to the house in about 10, 15 minutes, he was going to have a locksmith come to the house and her best friend, my neighbor, was also going to be there, and I pulled up in the driveway and went and got her best friend. We went over there. The locksmith opened up the door and her best friend's husband went towards the garage to see if the car was there. Her best friend and I went up the stairs, she checked the bed area. The covers were kind of ruffled over. I went into the closet and then I proceed to go into the bathroom, I noticed an exercise ball or a balloon, and as I walked back towards the back of the bathroom, I found Kathy lying naked... GIBSON: But, why did Drew stay outside? Why didn't he go into that house? CARCERANO: Well, I think one of the reasons was they were having � it was kind of a difficult divorce battle, and he knew that she wouldn't want him to be in the house if she was there when we went in, for whatever reason. You know, I have to say that upon me finding her and yelling out for her best friend's name, who was in the bedroom at the time, at that point, she came in and saw Kathy, and she started screaming. Drew did come up the stairs immediately, came into the bathroom, started screaming right away, and you know, "What am I going to tell my kids, what am I going to tell my kids," very distraught, very emotional. I was the first person. I looked directly into his eyes, and I seen somebody who was very emotional, right away. GIBSON: Steve at this point, do you think it was a real accident or the � a cop cover-up? CARCERANO: Well, I think some of the stuff that's been said � I was the first person to find her. I didn't notice any blood in her hair. I keep hearing that there was, you know, blood drenched hair. Some of the other abrasions on her certainly were � they were found. I didn't look in those areas, but, you know... April 6 2004 - Drew Peterson and Kathleen Savio trial set to divide assets but she died |
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Post by Lorie Taylor on Mar 31, 2008 1:19:09 GMT -6
Staging Of A Crime Scene
If investigators suspect a crime has been staged, they
should look for signs of association between the offender and
the victim.
Or, as is frequently the case with domestic violence, the involvement of a third party, who is usually the one who discovers the victim. For example, in the case involving the husband who staged his wife's murder to make it look like the crime was committed by an intruder, the husband did not immediately check on his wife and daughter once he regained consciousness.
Instead, he remained downstairs and called his brother, who went upstairs and discovered the victim.
Offenders will often manipulate the discovery of victims by a
neighbor or family member, or conveniently be elsewhere when the victim is discovered.
Which is exactly what Drew Peterson did when his 3rd wife was found in the bathtub.
March 2004, a neighbor found Savio dead in the dry bathtub at her Bolingbrook home.
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Post by Lorie Taylor on Mar 31, 2008 1:19:41 GMT -6
December 13, 2007 About Kathleen CALLER: My question is what is the latest information having to do with the investigation regarding the demise of Drew`s third wife? I`m thinking that that could be as big as the media problem. LALAMA: Well, my understanding, Kathy, tell me if I`m right, that we`re still waiting on results and we may never hear them and it`s basically kind of a closed door right now, that is right? CHANEY: Correct. Initially the Will County State`s Attorney said that the autopsy results will not be made public, and as we know, they`re either just still pending or they know what the results are and they`re not just letting us know. LALAMA: And very quickly, Dr. Marty Makary, I mean, just a couple of seconds, you know, even if we did find the results, it`s kind of hard to connect somebody after all of these years, right? DR. MARTY MAKARY, PHYSICIAN: Absolutely. But what we do know is that there was clearly air in the lungs. And any time there`s air in the lungs and a drowning, that means that the epiglottis has spasmed. There was a struggle.And water was not able to get through that valve. So that is a very important finding that we know about. LALAMA: Thank you so much. All right. Switching gears tonight, check out Nancy`s new message about the twins on her Baby Blog. And coming very soon, exclusive video of Nancy at home with those babies. That`s at cnn.com/nancygrace. Remember, Nancy makes her very much anticipated return to HEADLINE NEWS in her chair on January 7th at 8:00 p.m. So mark your calendars. tinyurl.com/2ju2qu |
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Post by Lorie Taylor on Mar 31, 2008 1:19:59 GMT -6
Investigation focuses on Stacy's alibi for Drew when ex-wife died
Investigators are zeroing in on the timeline before the death of Kathleen Savio, the third wife of former Bolingbrook police Sgt. Drew Peterson.
Their inquiry has led them to seek out nearly 4-year-old phone records that could raise doubt about Peterson's alibi regarding where he was in the 48 hours before Savio was found dead in a bathtub in 2004.
Sources say Stacy Peterson was looking for her husband, Drew Peterson, the day before Savio was found dead in her home. Sources say investigators also know Stacy Peterson repeatedly called her husband's cell phone that day to try and find him.
Savio was found dead the next day in her Bolingbrook home. An independent pathologist has ruled that she was murdered and that she'd been dead for more than 18 hours when she was found.
The calls are important because Stacy Peterson was her husband's alibi in the Savio death investigation. Two months later, according to the coroner's inquest transcript, a police officer testified about checking Drew Peterson's alibi, saying, "The only thing we're waiting for now is some phone records to find out if certain phone calls were made when they said they were made."
But court employees say there's no record that the phone records were ever obtained by police. CBS 2 asked Illinois State Police about what happened with the phone records back in 2004. A spokesperson said, "We're not investigating old investigations." He also said he would not discuss if the phone records ever came in.
Savio's nephew, Charlie Doman, fears Drew Peterson may have been harming his ex-wife when those calls were being made. He hopes the phone records will help police finally crack the case.
"I think a lot of new evidence is being uncovered. I think she'll get the justice she deserves," Doman said.
Both Drew and Stacy Peterson used Nextel phones. Officials with the company say Stacy Peterson's phone records from that day in 2004 likely do still exist and are available to authorities if they request them as part of an investigation. Investigators also say there is a chance the records were part of grand jury proceedings that were never made public
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Post by Lorie Taylor on Mar 31, 2008 1:20:45 GMT -6
If Drew Peterson and Katleen Savio died together, the couple wanted everything to go to certain people, among them Tom and Kris Peterson, their children, and Eric Drew Peterson and Stephen Paul Peterson, Drew Peterson's children from another relationship. The will lists some of their assets: � A Golden Rule life insurance policy valued at $100,000 � A Monumental Life Insurance policy valued at $125,000 � A Prudential Life Insurance policy valued at $308,137.59 -- "Beneficiary Merchants Bank Oswego to pay off note for Sud's Pub in Montgomery," according to the will. � Bolingbrook Police Pension fund of more than $50,000 � A piece of real estate listed as 9 Clay Court, Montgomery � The Blue Lightning Corp., or Sud's Pub, 1250 S. Broadway, Montgomery Da Page Corp., Fast 'N' Accurate Graphics, 87 Eisenhower South, Lombard � A quarter interest in CMYK Corp., listed as a printing business in "Lombard-Naperville," according to the will. WHOIS associates Americas Toner with John David (using 87 Eisenhower Lane (Lombard, IL) address) The California Secy of State associates John David with America Toner and the following addresses: PO BX 1144, Garden Grove, CA 92842 & 11471 Brookhurst St, Garden Grove, CA 92840 Americas Toner's toll-free number is associated with "John Davitt" at PO Box 1651Westminster, CA 92684 "Savis Emteghami" is associated with America's Toner The Investigation revealed that: "John David" is listed as the sole officer with the Illinois Secretary of State for Fiducia, Inc. (File#: 62027185; Incorporated 01/30/2002, at the 87 Eisenhower Lane South address). A Farshid Emteghami was identified using America Toner's 11471 Brookhurst St address in/about 03/2001 - 06/2001. The (questionable) We also located the same subject in Canoga, Park CA 91304; Two AKA's for Emteghami were located at the Brookhurst address: Enteghmai Farshid John David is likely an alias; "John Davitt" merely a variation. John David "is": John David; ; DOB: 3/22/1961; 559 Justina Street, Hinsdale, IL 60521(Dates: 12/02-4/03). This mans SS number is listed, however I'm not going to list it here. The following are AKAs for "John David"; any one of which could be the subject's true name. Baboo Yahya Baboo Yahya B David Beta Baboo Farideh I D Baboo Farideh Daryanvardei Farideh D Ideh Baboo Farideh Baboo Pariden Baboo Farideh D Baboo Faribe Baboo Far I Baboo Farideh Beboo Yehya B Baboo Asha B Babu Asha B Baboo Bharat B John David & John Davitt's SS is associated with mose of these names. Most of the phone number also correlate. Note: SSN's beginning with 232 were likely issued in WV, while SSNs beginning with 551 and 557 would have been issued in CA. We believe that the latter are more consistent with the subject's probable identity Americas Toner now has an additional name and location: The Toner located at 7015 Calumet Avenue Hammond, Indiana This is also the same as Central Imaging, CentralToner and so on. updated 7/25/03: Central Imaging is now also know as (AKA): Americas Toner Location: Lombard, Illinois The reporter writes: "My business lost a crucial document which was covered up by the Americas Toner junk fax. It had to be re-sent by the attorney's secretary, but we lost 2-3 days in getting the information to the process server so they could complete the service of process. Central Imaging 1461 Lunt Ave Unit F Elk Grove Village, IL 60007 Central Imaging Supply 17131 Beach Blvd. #203 Huntington Beach CA 92648 This is also the location where their CEO Savis Entegami. The address in Anaheim (which is on their registry for their website) is bogus. The Anaheim address is an empty building that, according to neighbors, used to be a tire store. From their website, they say that "Central Imaging originated in 1979. We now have offices all over the US which are California, Illinois, and Dallas." That's pretty interesting since I couldn't find them in the phone book in any of those locations. They settled with the Ohio AG not to fax in Ohio anymore. See centralimaging.pdf. www.junkfax.org/fax/reference/other_cases/centralimaging.pdfThey sent me their offer on Jan 7 at 1:40am so the time printed on their headers is way wrong. The removal number is 866-763-3442: TELEPHONE COMPANY: Allcom Communications LISTING PARTY: Central Imaging/John Davitt BILLING PARTY: Central Imaging/John Davitt SERVICE ADDRESS: No physical location on file. BILLING ADDRESS: PO Box 1651 Westminster, CA 92684 Also, you might try Dale Lemons at: 2450 Newport Bl COSTA MESA, CA 92627 949-645-3421 I ran across some FTC cases against a "Business Services Center, Inc., and Central Imaging Systems, LLC, operating as a common enterprise," I don't know if this is the same company... A quote from the website: (http://www.ftc.gov/opa/2000/10/businessservice.htm) > Business Services Center, Inc., and Central Imaging Systems, LLC, operating as > a common enterprise, and their principals, Thomas B. Ford and his mother, > Prudence C. Ford, have agreed to settle Federal Trade Commission charges that > they misrepresented themselves as consumers' regular photocopier toner > supplier and shipped and billed consumers for unordered photocopier toner. Also see: www.ftc.gov/opa/1999/9912/misprint.htm(Business Services Center, Inc., FTC File No. 992 3197; U.S. District Court, Central District of California, Southern Division; Civil Action No. SACV99-1513 DOC(ANx)) From: Carl Paulson Fax ID: Central imaging "Annoucing Americastoner.com" (same as Central Imaging) Central Imaging allegedly is in Elk Grove Village, IL which is near Lombard. The Central Imaging address appears to be a residence address. I did a criss cross address search and found that there are no other commercial listings in that area. At the end of the fax, a "contract fax marketing services" company called "Fiducia, Inc." appears. The number is a 630 area code, which is the area code for Elk Grove Village and Lombard. I did a reverse number search and found no listings. Did anyone else receive this, and is anyone on the list in suburban Chicago? This looks like Central Imaging is trying to set up shop under a new name, and junk fax for others. November 4, 2005: Americas Toner Brian Winsauer, CFO 96 W. Moreland Ave. Suite 13 Addison IL 60101-3842 I tried the # today at about 12:05p (before I Googled it!) & got no answer. By the way, the area code for Lombard & Addison is 630, but the area code for Elk Grove Village is 847. My wife & I actually interviewed at the 87 Eisenhower Lane (Lombard, IL) location a couple years ago (not knowing their reputation!) � we broke off mid-interview when we saw how Mickey Mouse the operation was; I believe Brian was the one who called us for the interview. |
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Post by Lorie Taylor on Mar 31, 2008 1:21:14 GMT -6
Fiducia, Inc. dba "America's Toner" Well-known junk faxer. Resident Agent Per IL SOS: JOHN DAVID 87 EISENHOWER LN SOUTH LOMBARD, IL 60148 tinyurl.com/2kjl3sJuly 21, 2006 VIA CERTIFIED MAIL RETURN RECEIPT REQUESTED AND EMAIL America's Toner aka American Toner aka Fiducia, Inc. Attn: John David 96 Westmoreland Ave, Suite 13 Addison, IL 60101 America's Toner aka American Toner. aka Fiducia, Inc. Attn: John David 87 Eisenhower Ln S Lombard, IL 60148-5409 America's Toner aka American Toner aka Fiducia, Inc. Attn: John David 603 Country Club Drive Bensenville, IL 60106 RE: EB-06-TC-131 Dear Mr. David: This is an official CITATION, issued pursuant to section 503(b)(5) of the Communications Act of 1934, as amended (the Act), 47 U.S.C. S 503(b)(5), for violations of the Act and the Federal Communications Commission's rules that govern telephone solicitations and unsolicited advertisements. As explained below, future violations of the Act or Commission's rules in this regard may subject you and your company to monetary forfeitures. It has come to our attention that your company, acting under your direction, apparently sent one or more unsolicited advertisements to telephone facsimile machines in violation of Section 227(b)(1)(C) of the Communications Act, as described in the attached complaint(s). Section 227(b)(1)(C) makes it "unlawful for any person within the United States, or any person outside the United States if the recipient is within the United States . . . to use a telephone facsimile machine, computer, or other device to send an unsolicited advertisement to a telephone facsimile machine." The term "unsolicited advertisement" is defined in the Act and the Commission's rules as "any material advertising the commercial availability or quality of any property, goods, or services which is transmitted to any person without that person's prior express invitation or permission." Under Commission rules and orders currently in effect, the Commission considers an established business relationship between a fax sender and recipient to constitute prior express invitation or permission to send a facsimile advertisement. Mere distribution or publication of a fax number, however, does not establish consent to receive advertisements by fax. If, after receipt of this citation, you or your company violate the Communications Act or the Commission's rules in any manner described herein, the Commission may impose monetary forfeitures not to exceed $11,000 for each such violation or each day of a continuing violation. You may respond to this citation within 30 days from the date of this letter either through (1) a personal interview at the Commission's Field Office nearest to your place of business, (2) a written statement, or (3) a teleconference interview with the Commission's Telecommunications Consumers Division in Washington, DC. Your response should specify the actions that you are taking to ensure that you do not violate the Commission's rules governing telephone solicitation and unsolicited advertisements, as described above. The nearest Commission field office appears to be the Chicago Office, Chicago, Illinois; however, please contact Al McCloud at (202) 418-2499 if you wish to schedule a personal interview. You should schedule any interview to take place within 30 days of the date of this letter. You should send any written statement within 30 days of the date of this letter to: Kurt A. Schroeder Deputy Chief Telecommunications Consumers Division Enforcement Bureau Federal Communications Commission 445-12^th Street, S.W., Rm. 4-C222 Washington, D.C. 20554 Reference EB-06-TC-127 when corresponding with the Commission. |
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Post by Lorie Taylor on Mar 31, 2008 1:21:37 GMT -6
A will emerges
A year after Savio's death and the beginning of the legal proceedings to settle her affairs, a will emerged. It was submitted in court on March 23, 2005.
Hand-written in capital letters, it was scrawled across two pieces of lined notebook paper and witnessed by Alex J. Morelli and Gary L. Marcolina.
A man named Alex Morelli is a Bolingbrook police officer, and Herald News archives show a man named Gary Marcolina is a developer in the Crest Hill area.
"This day March 2nd 1997 Drew Walter Peterson and Kathleen Savio Peterson, both being of sound body and mind, do hereby bequeath all of our worldly possessions to each other in the event of either of our individual deaths," begins the will filed with court documents.
If they died together, the couple wanted everything to go to certain people, among them Tom and Kris Peterson, their children, and Eric Drew Peterson and Stephen Paul Peterson, Drew Peterson's children from another relationship.
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Post by Lorie Taylor on Mar 31, 2008 1:22:00 GMT -6
February 14, 2008 JOLIET -- Lawyers representing Kathleen Savio's family were in court for the first time Wednesday morning as they try to take control of her estate from Drew Peterson, her former husband, and one of his relatives. But the hearing was brief. Joliet lawyer Lawrence Varsek simply asked Will County Judge Carmen Goodman if they could return to court on March 17. The parties involved in the case need time to organize various issues, he said. The judge quickly agreed. The Savio family believes that all of Savio's assets should go to her children. After her death, assets valued between $144,117 and $288,235 went to Drew Peterson instead. The family decided to try to reopen the old probate case after Drew Peterson's fourth wife disappeared. Stacy Peterson, 23, hasn't been seen since the end of October. Drew Peterson claims that she left him for another man, but her family disagrees. State police have called him a suspect in a case that might involve a homicide. In March 2004, a neighbor found Kathleen Savio, 40, dead in the dry bathtub at her Bolingbrook home. At that time, Savio and Drew Peterson were divorced but still were fighting in court over money and other marital assets. A state police officer testified during Savio's inquest that foul play wasn't involved, and a coroner's jury determined she drowned accidentally. A hand-written will later emerged. It named James B. Carroll, Drew Peterson's uncle, as executor of the estate. And in April 2005, a Will County judge entered a judgment in the financial aspects of the divorce case and gave some of the couple's assets to Drew Peterson. After Stacy Peterson vanished, state police decided to revisit the Savio case and her body was exhumed in November. The new autopsy reports have been delayed by time-consuming and extensive toxicological testing. Celebrity medical examiner Michael Baden also performed an autopsy shortly after the exhumation and determined that Savio was murdered. tinyurl.com/2o8t4o |
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Post by Lorie Taylor on Mar 31, 2008 1:22:18 GMT -6
Coroner's Juror on Kathleen Savio's Death Wednesday, November 14, 2007 VAN SUSTEREN: Were you at least � did you at least discuss the bruises on her body, the laceration to her head and the blood-soaked hair? Did you talk about that in the inquest? JAMES: We did, and I was kind of apprehensive with one photograph showing her face down in an empty tub. And there was a lot of blood remaining in the tub, and I just � I didn't � myself did not consider � it was inconsistent with drowning. I feel that the blood that was in the tub should have probably dissipated into the water and drained out with the water. But like I said, I'm not an expert forensic person, so as a layperson, that's just how I felt. www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,311713,00.html |
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Post by Lorie Taylor on Mar 31, 2008 1:22:43 GMT -6
TRANSCRIPT: Drew Peterson On 'Today' Show Wednesday, Nov. 14, 2007 LAUER: Another reason there's so much attention being paid to you, Mr. Peterson, is because of the circumstances surrounding the death of your third wife, Kathy Savio. She drowned in her bathtub, according to the report at the time, an accidental drowning back in 2004. However, at the time there was no water in the bathtub. Her hair was matted with blood and apparently there was a one-inch gash on the back of her head. Now state officials are saying that it looks like an accident staged to cover a murder. What was your impression at the time she died? Did you think it was an accident? Mr. PETERSON: I was one of the first people there. And I was actually the watch commander of our town at the time that it happened. And I went ahead and met with her best friend because I haven't seen her for a couple of days, which was very unlike her, to not be seen or heard from. So I was planning the next day to go into her home, you know, with her neighbor, and see if she was OK, but her neighbor was upset and her best friend was upset, same person. And she wanted to go in that night. So we called the locksmith, went into the house. I didn't go in the house. I waited outside. Her friend... www.nbc5.com/news/14598508/detail.html |
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Post by Lorie Taylor on Mar 31, 2008 1:23:10 GMT -6
This is a rush transcript from "On the Record ," February 22, 2008. This copy may not be in its final form and may be updated.
GRETA VAN SUSTEREN, HOST: Kathleen Savio's family is petitioning the court to reopen her estate so they can file a wrongful death lawsuit against Drew Peterson. Now that the state's attorney's office says Savio's death was a homicide, how does this affect the civil suit? Let's bring back the panel.
Before we do that, Dr. Baden, where � can you show � where was the gash on her head?
DR. MICHAEL BADEN, FORENSIC PATHOLOGIST: The gash was on the back of the head, sort of in the midline.
VAN SUSTEREN: About how big?
BADEN: It said a few inches. And it had a lot of blood, and there was a lot of blood on the hair that wasn't � in order to get the best example of measurement, you have to shave the hair. It doesn't look like the hair was shaved here. It was about a two or three-inch laceration, a lot of blood in the hair. What probably happened is that she was laying face down with the blood on the hair over the 30 hours which I think she was dead, 36 hours. The water slowly leaked out of the tub, and that's why when she's found face down or on the side, the blood is still very prominent in the hair.
VAN SUSTEREN: But she died from drowning, not from that gash on her head, right?
BADEN: That's right. That's right. A gash on the head, a lot of bruises on the body, and � but the cause of death was drowning, so...
VAN SUSTEREN: Someone held her down.
BADEN: Held her down, that she was beaten up before the drowning occurred, so if she were unconscious � if she were conscious, she was held down. She could have been unconscious.
VAN SUSTEREN: All right. Michael Cardoza, let's talk about the civil suit.
MICHAEL CARDOZA, CRIMINAL DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Sure.
VAN SUSTEREN: The family has asked to reopen the estate, saying that there's a brand-new asset out there that wasn't � that didn't go through her estate, the asset being the wrongful death action against Sergeant Drew Peterson. What do think about this?
CARDOZA: You know, I go back to � let's go back to 2004. Let's say that jury, the coroner's jury, did come back and they said criminal agency caused her death at that time. Is there enough evidence to prove Drew Peterson did it at that time? Do we know...
VAN SUSTEREN: By a preponderance...
CARDOZA: ... do we think...
VAN SUSTEREN: ... of the evidence.
CARDOZA: Probably not.
VAN SUSTEREN: That's � not beyond a reasonable doubt, though. This is a civil case...
(CROSSTALK)
VAN SUSTEREN: ... by 51 percent.
CARDOZA: Right. By the preponderant of evidence, right. So do they have a better case in the civil? Absolutely. But Brodsky, the attorney, is saying � and he better be careful here because he could get hoisted on his own petard. He's saying, Well, the statute of limitations is two years, but is it two years from discovery that there was a criminal agency or just two years from her death? And I've got to tell you...
VAN SUSTEREN: And...
CARDOZA: ... one thing I know about courts, if they get emotionally involved, and they want litigation to go through, believe me, they will rationalize to let in that civil case...
VAN SUSTEREN: And � and that...
CARDOZA: ... be filed in this court.
VAN SUSTEREN: And it's a fluid point (ph) to statute of limitations if there's fraud involved sometimes. But I mean, that's � it's going to be enormously...
CARDOZA: Agreed.
VAN SUSTEREN: ... complicated to litigate. Ted, you've been shaking your head some...
(CROSSTALK)
TED WILLIAMS, CRIMINAL DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Well, you know, I would love for them to be successful in a wrongful death suit against Peterson. But from the evidence and what we know, even though the standard is by preponderance of the evidence, I don't think they'd be successful in a civil suit against Peterson. But they may very well be successful in a civil lawsuit against the police department...
VAN SUSTEREN: No way.
WILLIAMS: ... if they knew...
VAN SUSTEREN: No way.
WILLIAMS: ... about all of the various activity and this woman complained...
VAN SUSTEREN: No way.
WILLIAMS: ... and they did nothing (INAUDIBLE)
VAN SUSTEREN: Bernie, is he going to get charged criminal � with this death? Is Sergeant Drew Peterson?
BERNIE GRIMM, CRIMINAL DEFENSE ATTORNEY: No, for the reasons Ted said. You can't...
VAN SUSTEREN: Yes.
GRIMM: You can't...
(CROSSTALK)
GRIMM: No, you...
VAN SUSTEREN: Michael, is he going to get he charged, Michael Cardoza?
(CROSSTALK)
GRIMM: ... honestly believe you can get him convicted, which when Cardoza was a prosecutor, he would have done. Some prosecutor could charge him, but he could charge me, Ted...
VAN SUSTEREN: All right...
GRIMM: ... and on his worst day, charge Dr. Baden...
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Post by Lorie Taylor on Mar 31, 2008 1:23:54 GMT -6
NANCY GRACE
Drew Peterson "Shocked" by Savio Death Verdict
Aired February 22, 2008 - 20:00:00 ET
GRACE: Good evening. I`m Nancy Grace. I want to thank you for being with us. Breaking news in the case of cop turned suspect Drew Peterson, fourth wife, 23-year-old Stacy, missing for months. And tonight, Chicago police hone in on the dry bathtub drowning of his third wife, now ruled homicide.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: One wife missing, another murdered. The death of Drew Peterson`s third wife -- we first thought it was an accident, now it`s being ruled a homicide. Does that mean this former cop is now a suspect in that case, as well?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We have a healthy young woman. She has no drugs, no alcohol, no natural disease that would explain why she would drown in a bathtub -- without water, by the way. And she has injuries all over her body. This is either incompetence on the part of the coroner or some political, you know, conniving.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The Savio family came to us when Stacy Peterson went missing. They said that Kathleen Savio gave them a briefcase of documents back when she was found in the bathtub. And this briefcase of documents said in Kathleen`s own words, He`s going to make it look like an accident. But if anything ever happens to me, he is to blame. It is that he will have killed me. I mean, this is what this family has longed for justice, Kathleen`s death, indeed, ruled a homicide.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Drew Peterson this morning refused to comment about the second autopsy.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Would you care to give us a thought on this?
PETERSON: No. No comments. I`m not going to be making any comments about the results.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The bottom line now is this. We need to find Stacy because we don`t know where she is, and we need to find out who killed Kathleen Savio.
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GRACE: Bombshell in the Stacy Peterson case, wife number three`s death now officially ruled a homicide, her body covered in bruises. Out to Jon Leiberman with "America`s Most Wanted." Jon, what`s the latest?
JON LEIBERMAN, "AMERICA`S MOST WANTED": Well, Nancy, the latest is, as you mentioned, this autopsy now is this death has been ruled a homicide. This is a moment that the Savio family has been waiting for since 2004. And you know what? It took Stacy Peterson to go missing for this family to have their loved one exhumed and for two additional autopsies to be done on their loved one. And now it does appear, of course, that Drew`s third wife was, indeed, murdered.
GRACE: Joining us tonight, a very special guest. Drew Peterson`s defense attorney, Joel Brodsky, is joining us. Brodsky is a veteran trial lawyer in the Chicago area and has been hired by Drew Peterson. Mr. Brodsky, I thought your client was going to give a public statement last night. Why did he chicken out?
JOEL BRODSKY, DREW PETERSON`S ATTORNEY: I don`t know that he chickened out. Maybe he`s finally following my advice and keeping quiet, so...
GRACE: So he will...
BRODSKY: From my point of view, it`s a good thing.
GRACE: Well, you may be right from a defense angle. So he will call in to a dating game on the radio, but he will not address the fact that his third wife`s death is now ruled a homicide?
BRODSKY: Well, that`s an old story about the dating game and what was going on there. But no, he`s not going to comment on anything involving either Kathleen or Stacy, at this point.
GRACE: Why? If he has nothing to hide, why won`t he comment?
BRODSKY: Well, you were an attorney. You know the answer to that question.
GRACE: Yes. Why don`t you tell me?
BRODSKY: The answer is, is that when you`re under investigation, you`re a suspect, you don`t make any statements.
GRACE: Mr. Brodsky, some people would disagree with you. Some people would suggest that if you are innocent and you have nothing to hide, you would want to be helping police find the killer of your third wife. Last night, it was stated that members of Savio`s family suggest that he would gain about $3 million by her death. Was he, in fact, the beneficiary on some life insurance policy belonging to her?
BRODSKY: No. Absolutely not. Those life insurance policies benefited Kathy`s children. And in fact, that money is in a court- supervised trust account, so it can only be spent on the children`s benefit, by court order. So there`s no truth to that at all.
GRACE: What about the businesses they owned together?
BRODSKY: Well, those -- that money was all liquidated and was in the house that was sold.
GRACE: Oh, who got the proceeds of the house?
BRODSKY: Right. And that cash was all the cash there was, and that cash was already liquidated and about to be split up in the divorce case. And you know, they pretty -- as I was talking to Drew, it was pretty clear that everybody knew what was going to happen in the divorce. At that point, when Kathy passed away, everything was pretty much on the plate. Nobody -- there were going to be no great surprises, and everybody was fairly satisfied with the direction it was going.
GRACE: Well, Mr. Brodsky, you said the money from the businesses they owned together went into the house, and that was about to be liquidated when she was murdered. Since she was murdered before it was liquidated, to whom did all the money from the house go?
BRODSKY: Well, like I say -- you`re using the loaded word "murdered," but before she -- after she died...
GRACE: Well, they have ruled it a homicide.
BRODSKY: Well, that was the second time, they ruled it a homicide. The first time, they ruled it an accident. But in any event, the money was -- the divorce was finished, even after Kathy had died, so a judge ruled on where the money went. Kathy`s estate was one beneficiary. Her insurance policies, obviously, were taken into consideration, that that went to the children and the estate. And Drew got the bulk of the money. It was signed off on by a judge after hearing evidence, so it wasn`t as if...
GRACE: Drew got the bulk of the money?
BRODSKY: Not the money from the insurance company, but the bulk of the money from the liquidation of the house, yes.
GRACE: With us is Joel Brodsky, Drew Peterson`s attorney. The cop/suspect has hired Mr. Brodsky. Joel Brodsky another question. Are any of Savio`s, Kathleen Savio`s, children living with your client, Mr. Peterson?
BRODSKY: Yes, the two teenage boys.
GRACE: And how has he explained this turn of events? Their mom is a victim of homicide. How has he explained that to them?
BRODSKY: Well, Drew believes that the first autopsy report is the correct one. The first coroner`s finding is the correct one. So he hasn`t explained to the boys anything about that. The boys believe and they know their mother died in a tragic accident, and there`s no reason to discuss this new finding with them, especially since the coroner has refused to release the report for critical review.
GRACE: So he has not brought this up with his boys, even though it`s being covered on television and in the newspapers?
GRACE: No. There`d be no reason to.
GRACE: OK. Do the other children, the children belonging to Stacy Peterson -- is he still telling them Mommy is on a vacation?
BRODSKY: I believe he is.
GRACE: Why?
BRODSKY: Because he`s trying to shield his children.
GRACE: Out to the lines. To Leeann in Alabama. Hi, Leeann.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Congratulations on your two new angels.
GRACE: Thank you. Thank you very much. What`s your question, dear?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: My question is, with this new autopsy evidence, will he be charged possibly in the murder, and I say that definitely now, of his third wife? And if so, was he ever made to take a lie-detector test in that case, or has he taken one in the present case of Stacy?
GRACE: Let`s go to the source. With us is Drew Peterson`s defense attorney, Joel Brodsky there in the Chicago area. Mr. Brodsky, did he take a lie-detector test in the first -- well, not necessarily the first. I would say the third wife`s untimely death?
BRODSKY: No. In fact, he was never requested to and...
GRACE: Oh, really? Is he open to that?
BRODSKY: No, he`s not. I`ve been very clear on this all along, that in this type of context, outside of a, you know, full and complete interrogation, which he`s not going to subject himself to. A lie-detector test really isn`t statistically accurate, so there is no reason for him to submit himself to that.
GRACE: So when you say nobody asked him to, the reality is, is that he wouldn`t take it, even if asked.
BRODSKY: Yes, at this point, no, he wouldn`t take it, even if asked. Absolutely.
GRACE: To Kathleen in New York. Hi, Kathleen.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Hi, Kathleen -- or Nancy. How are you today?
GRACE: I`m good, dear. What`s your question?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: My question is, is how long had Kathleen been dead when her body was found? And isn`t it usually the way the person directs the attention from themselves is by having someone else find body that they know is there?
GRACE: Let`s go back over those facts. She`s absolutely correct. Kathleen in New York, thank you. Let`s take it back a step. To Jon Leiberman with "America`s Most Wanted." Let`s go through what we know about the death, now ruled a homicide, of Peterson`s third wife, Kathleen Savio.
LEIBERMAN: Well, the interesting thing is...
GRACE: Where was he that day? What was the time of day? What were the circumstances, and so forth?
LEIBERMAN: Apparently, what happened was that Drew actually went to the house under the guise of visiting Kathleen. It was locked. He was worried about Kathleen. He actually brought a locksmith in over to the house to undo the locks so that he could then get up into the house. And Drew and a friend of his, Steve Carcerano, then find Kathleen`s body upstairs in the bathtub.
What`s interesting is this. One of Drew`s friends told me that Drew`s alibi for when he found Kathleen in the bathtub was actually Stacy, that he told police that he had been with Stacy the two days leading up to finding Kathleen`s body in the bathtub, so his whereabouts were accounted for. Obviously, now Stacy is nowhere to be found, so we don`t know about his alibi at this point.
GRACE: Let`s unleash the lawyer. In addition to Joel Brodsky, joining us tonight, prosecutor Eleanor Dixon of the Atlanta jurisdiction, Anne Bremner out of Seattle, Richard Herman out of New York.
You know, Richard, it`s just a very intriguing coincidence that this guy keeps coming home, and one wife is missing, one wife is dead.
RICHARD HERMAN, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Well, listen, Stacy...
GRACE: Who`d have thunk it?
HERMAN: Nancy, Stacy Peterson`s mother took off and disappeared for years. We don`t know where she is. And then she all of a sudden appeared...
GRACE: What does that have to do with anything?
HERMAN: Well, that takes care of her. On the Savio matter...
GRACE: No, that takes care of nothing.
HERMAN: There`s no evidence of a crime~!
GRACE: I don`t even know why you said that.
HERMAN: There`s no evidence he had anything to do with Peterson or Savio. None.
GRACE: You know what`s...
HERMAN: There isn`t!
GRACE: What`s interesting, Anne Bremer, is that -- let me ask you this, Anne. When you go to somebody`s house and you ring the doorbell and you knock and they don`t come, do you call the locksmith, or do you just leave like a normal person?
ANNE BREMNER, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Well, I`m a normal person, Nancy, as you know, so I just leave.
GRACE: Now, OK, I`m not going to comment on that.
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GRACE: Do you find it, Eleanor Dixon, a little unusual? Let`s look at the behavioral evidence. When you go to somebody`s house and you -- and they don`t come, you suddenly decide to have a locksmith break in so the neighbor can then find the dead body?
ELEANOR DIXON, PROSECUTOR: I know. Isn`t it convenient, Nancy? And as a prosecution, I would use all those little steps on what Drew Peterson did to say, Hey, he`s bringing a locksmith he just happened to know? You know, the door would be locked and he just happened to have his friend there so he could say, Oh, look what we discovered, somebody`s dead in the bathtub. What a shock.
GRACE: You know, Joel, why didn`t your client just leave? Why did he feel he had to break into the home with a witness?
BRODSKY: Well, we have to -- there`s (INAUDIBLE) to the alibi. Drew had the children all that week and he had visitation.
GRACE: Right.
BRODSKY: So he was -- tried to return the children Friday night. I mean, sorry, Sunday night. There was no answer. He kept them Sunday night over, and then the next day, the next morning, he still couldn`t get ahold of her. He was concerned. He brought -- went to the house. There was no answer. He decided that he to enter. He called a locksmith and some witnesses. So I think that Drew acted appropriately.
GRACE: Let`s go back out to the lines. Sam in Pennsylvania. Hi, Sam.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Hi, Nancy. Very nice to talk to you this evening.
GRACE: Likewise. What`s your question, dear?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I got a question. Are they going to question the medical examiner who did the original autopsy on the third wife?
GRACE: Oh, man!
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I mean, if somewhere -- somewhere he...
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GRACE: That`s a can of worm. Man!~ You are so right about that. Let`s go to Jon Leiberman. What about the first medical examiner? The woman is covered in bruises and he says her hair is soaked in blood. He says accident.
LEIBERMAN: Not to mention the laceration to the scalp, the fact there was no water in the bathtub, her bloody hair. I mean, the whole thing was ridiculous. A layperson can look at this autopsy and see that it wasn`t an accidental death. It`s a great question.
They have changed the system. See, a coroner`s jury, a jury of six people, laypeople, made the final determination that this was an accident. On that coroner`s jury was actually somebody who had worked with Drew Peterson, as well, who spoke to Drew`s character, said Drew was good guy, et cetera, et cetera. So certainly, that medical examiner and every member of that coroner`s jury needs to be spoken to.
GRACE: Let`s go to Dr. William Morrone, Dr. Morrone joining us tonight out of Madison Heights, Michigan. And Elizabeth, if you could put up the graphic that Dr. Morrone has been so kind to research and prepare for us? Let`s take a look and analyze the actual injuries to Kathleen Savio. What is your opinion, Dr. Morrone?
DR. WILLIAM MORRONE, FORENSIC PATHOLOGIST, MEDICAL EXAMINER: My first opinion is that with wounds and lesions of the skin on different sides of the body -- I`ll repeat the word multi-directional trauma that another person used -- is evident. That...
GRACE: What are we seeing right now, Doctor? What are we seeing?
MORRONE: That`s a mock-up of an autopsy sheet. It`s an anatomical figure of the front and the back of the person.
GRACE: That shows all of her injuries. The points that you have listed are all of her injuries.
MORRONE: And there`s almost a dozen of them. Almost a dozen.
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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Drew Peterson this morning refused to comment about the second autopsy.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Would you care to give us a thought on this?
PETERSON: No. No comments. I`m not going to be making any comments about the results.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: It`s really hard to swallow. I think we`re happy that it`s finally confirmed that it`s a homicide, and we just have to hope (INAUDIBLE) will be brought to justice.
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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Would you care to give us a thought on this?
PETERSON: No. No comments.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: All`s quiet inside the Peterson home just minutes after learning that Drew Peterson`s wife died is a result of a homicide. Dr. Larry Blum with the Will County coroner`s office released his findings saying the cause of death of Kathleen S. Savio was drowning, and further, that the manner of death was homicide. To date, Peterson has never been charged in connection to his fourth wife`s disappearance or the death of his third wife.
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GRACE: So the video you just saw was the exhumation of the body of Peterson`s third wife, Kathleen Savio. Where is his fourth wife, Stacy Peterson?
Let`s go out to a guest joining us, Susan Roesgen, CNN correspondent joining us there in Chicago. Susan, it`s great to see you again. You have tried to get a comment from Drew Peterson. Any luck?
SUSAN ROESGEN, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Hey, like a lot of reporters, Nancy, I went and rang the doorbell. He came. He opened the door I`d say about four inches, just enough to say, I`m not going to talk to anybody. You can talk to my lawyer.
But I have to tell you, Nancy, that I was listening to Joel Brodsky, Drew`s lawyer, talk about the estate. The family, the Savio family, denies just about everything he told you. The family told me tonight that there was a bitter fight. This thing, this settlement, was not nearly resolved yet, a bitter fight, and that because Kathleen and Drew had been married more than 10 years, in the state of Illinois, she was entitled to half of everything, not just her insurance policy for her two teenage sons, but half of all the estate. An
And now the family is, in fact, petitioning a court to try to become caretakers of the estate, to try to wrestle her 50 percent away from Drew because they say that if she had known she was going to die, she would want all of her 50 percent to go to her boys. And they say that`s what they`re fighting for right now.
GRACE: To Susan Roesgen, CNN correspondent. What do the Savios think of the fact that Peterson has not discussed at all this new report saying their mom was murdered with the children?
ROESGEN: You know, Nancy, they say that they don`t know what Drew has told the children because they say he has only allowed them to see them one time. And they think that they`re getting everything from television, and they`re really worried that they`re getting a warped view of what happened.
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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Her family always thought that she had been murdered and they always suspected Drew in that murder. But a coroner`s inquest initially ruled it was an accident. And it wasn`t until Stacy Peterson disappeared last October that the local state`s county district attorney here decided to reopen the case and exhumed Kathleen Savio`s body. Now a forensic pathologist says, yes, she was murdered in that bathtub.
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GRACE: A bombshell in the investigation of Stacy Peterson`s disappearance, the fourth wife of Drew Peterson. Now the death of his third wife has been ruled a homicide four years later.
Joining us tonight, a special guest, Michael Lisak, Kathleen Savio`s nephew. Michael, thank you for being with us. What`s the family`s reaction?
MICHAEL LISAK, KATHLEEN SAVIO`S NEPHEW: It`s, basically, you know, what we always thought, but now we can really say it and there`s a lot more meaning behind it.
GRACE: When you hear Drew Peterson`s attorney, Joel Brodsky, explain the way the money was to be divided, what`s your response?
LISAK: I don`t believe him at all. I mean, as far as Mr. Brodsky and Drew, they must be the only two people in the world that are shocked by the results of this. And as far as the money goes, you know, it`s obvious who has it. I mean, my cousin, my aunt`s two, you know, boys, as far as them receiving anything -- I`m sure they`re very well (INAUDIBLE) boys, but...
GRACE: Why won`t Peterson let the Savios see the boys, Michael?
LISAK: Because according to him, it`s not in their best interests. They think that we`re just money-hungry people, and all we want is justice.
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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Dr. Larry Gloom, the independent forensic pathologist who conducted the latest autopsy on Savio, looked at photos taken from the scene. He reviewed the initial reports from the investigation and examined the bathtub where her body was found.
In his report, he writes, quote, "Compelling evidence exists to support the conclusion that the cause of death of Kathleen Savio was drowning and further, that the manner of death was homicide."
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Drew Peterson refused to comment about the second autopsy.
UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: Can you give us your thoughts on this?
DREW PETERSON, HUSBAND OF MISSINGS MOM STACY PETERSON: Nope. No comments. I`m not going to be making any comments about the results.
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GRACE: It`s amazing after all of Drew Peterson`s blabbing over the past few months, since his wife went missing on October 28th, he`s suddenly gone mum. Wife number three Kathleen Savio`s death now ruled a homicide four years after the fact.
Out to the lines. Let`s to go Wendy in Illinois. Hi, Wendy.
WENDY, FROM ILLINOIS: Hey. I love you so much. You are so awesome. And congratulations, your babies are absolutely beautiful. I`m so happy for you.
GRACE: I cannot be luckier. What`s your question, dear?
WENDY: You know, does Drew Peterson -- I thought I heard he had a history of domestic abuse. If that`s so, why does it seem like they don`t take that into consideration from the get-go?
GRACE: Jon Leiberman with "America`s Most Wanted," is there any history of domestic abuse?
JON LEIBERMAN, CORRESPONDENT, AMERICA`S MOST WANTED: Well, absolutely. Yes. I mean Kathleen Savio in 2002 filed an order of protection saying, quote, "She feared Peterson would kill her." She told her family over and over again that if anything happened to her, he would make it look like an accident.
And Nancy, I have to throw in something about the kids because kids do not lie. And the Savio family shared with us a Christmas card, a note to Santa Claus that one of their kids wrote. It said, quote, "All I want for Christmas is for daddy to stop hurting mommy and for daddy to give mommy a divorce."
GRACE: OK. Joel Brodsky is with us, Drew Peterson`s attorney. Any response to the letter to Santa?
JOEL BRODSKY, ATTORNEY FOR DREW PETERSON: Well, that was during the divorce when they had a very contentious divorce early on, when it was going on. And that sounds to me that Kathy was putting the children in the middle of the divorce case which is unfortunate. It`s supposed -- which have not spoken.
GRACE: Yes, it`s all her fault.
BRODSKY: Oh no, but you`re no supposed to (INAUDIBLE) in the children.
GRACE: I wonder what she would have to say about that. Uh-uh, she was murdered, she can`t talk.
BRODSKY: You know that sounds like -- what you`re not supposed to do in a divorce which is involve the children in the conflict between the parents. But one thing about this.
GRACE: Well, there`s no conflict anymore because mommy is dead.
BRODSKY: Well, you`re not supposed -- when there is a divorce case going on, an ongoing divorce case, the children are supposed to be protected from the conflict between the children -- between the parents. But in any event, the whole -- this whole comment that was made that the Savios are somehow being deprived contact with the children.
Henry Savio, Kathy`s father, Nick Savio, Kathy`s brother, have only met that children once, one time since their birth. And that was at Kathleen`s funeral. Not a Christmas cards since the funeral, not a birthday card, not a Christmas present, nothing, not a phone call.
Yet now when they`re filing the divorce, now when they`re thinking about filing a wrongful death case, all of a sudden they become concerned about the children? I think you don`t have to be a rocket scientist to figure what`s going on there.
GRACE: I find that very difficult to believe.
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To you, Michael Lisak, Kathleen Savio`s nephew, response? Not a Christmas card, not present, nothing?
MICHAEL LISAK, KATHLEEN SAVIO`S NEPHEW: No. You know what? Mr. Brodsky, that`s true about my grandfather and her brother, but I was there for more than 10 years. I knew -- I visited my aunt for many, many years before she even knew Drew.
I love my aunt. My aunt was very special in my life. She was taken away by somebody. We`re going to find out who. And like I said, you and your client are shocked. You`re the only two people that are shocked.
GRACE: Let`s go.
LISAK: I mean, even if he didn`t do it, Mr. Brodsky, somebody did.
GRACE: You know, it`s interesting, Pat Brown, the way this is unfolding and that it took four years to be determined a homicide.
PAT BROWN, CRIMINAL PROFILER, AUTHOR OF "KILLING FOR SPORT": Yes, Nancy. And that`s four years too long, I`ll guarantee you, because at the time, it was -- the diagnosis was drowning. And that is kind of difficult to make because sometimes you can actually drown and not have any water in your lungs. So it is a diagnosis of exclusion.
You can`t figure out why else they died so it`s drowning because of the circumstances. So it`s really an opinion. But with all the circumstances around it, with the blunt trauma to her body and how the fact that almost no adult dies from a fall in the bathtub unless they have epilepsy. If she had no seizures in her past, that would be a ridiculous thought to have.
So they had a good reason to call this manner of death homicide at the time. Then they could have gone after Drew Peterson for all the circumstances and gotten into his life and gotten all the witnesses and all possibly evidence. Now, four years too late. They`re not going to be able to go back and get anything.
GRACE: Back to the lawyers, Eleanor Dixon, Ann Bremner, Richard Herman, in addition to Peterson`s defense lawyer, Joel Brodsky.
To you, Eleanor Dixon, rule number one when you start an investigation, look at who was with the victim last and who discovered the body. That`s where you start.
ELEANOR DIXON, PROSECUTOR: That`s true. And you always look to the people closest to the victim as well. And everything in this case seems to point to Drew Peterson. And I think Pat brought up a very important point. You have all these injuries along with the drowning which means she was breathing when the water entered her lungs. That`s a very horrific way to die. And it does seem that Drew Peterson has a pattern of behavior with wives going missing.
GRACE: To Ann Bremner, if this does go to trial, will these -- both these similar transaction for the other -- for instance, if he went to trial on Stacy`s disappearance.
ANN BREMNER, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Right.
GRACE: .would this case come in that trial?
BREMNER: Well, the prosecutor, of course, is going to argue that, Nancy. And as you know, the similar transaction evidence can be really powerful. But I keep thinking to myself listening to everybody, do these two autopsy findings cancel each other out? That`s the defense. One says accidental. One says it`s a homicide, intention in some way through a man`s act. Drowning, drowning. Both findings.
This is a tough case. There is no other evidence against him save the fact of a new finding. And maybe.
GRACE: Richard?
BREMNER: Maybe he wasn`t a normal person at the front door, Nancy, call for a locksmith. That`s just not enough.
GRACE: Richard?
RICHARD HERMAN, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: No, Nancy, Pat Brown paged Drew Peterson and even she tells you there is no evidence of his involvement with Savio. They`re never going to be able to convict him on that death.
GRACE: You know, it`s interesting the way you phrased that, Richard Herman. You say they`re never going to be able to convict him. I find that interesting that choice of words as opposed to there is no evidence he did this. He didn`t do this. You say they`ll never be able to convict.
Out to Dr. Lillian Glass, psychologist and author of "I Know What You`re Thinking."
Lillian, it`s great to see you. What do you make of Peterson telling the kids, Stacy Peterson, mommy is on a vacation, and then not discussing the fact that their mom was murdered with the Savio kids?
LILLIAN GLASS, PSYCHOLOGIST, AUTHOR OF "I KNOW WHAT YOU`RE THINKING": Well, he obviously has something to hide. And what he`s doing to Stacy`s children is unconscionable, because these children have expectations. They`re hoping that mommy comes home. This is wrong, this is very wrong. And to not tell his other children what has happened, the new findings, is unconscionable, because when they find out, they`re going to have such resentment and psychologically, it`s caused so much damage to them.
GRACE: You know, I want to go back to Dr. William Morrone, medical examiner and forensic pathologist, joining us out of Michigan.
MORRONE: Yes.
GRACE: Dr. Morrone, we started going through the autopsy a few moments ago with the visual aid you kindly created for us.
MORRONE: Thank you.
GRACE: Dr. Morrone, how does that work? Everyone is saying one finding cancels the other out. How do you go back and recreate an autopsy four years later? What are your thoughts on this?
MORRONE: The most important thing is that Dr. Bloom this year was given the power to discuss the cause of death and manner of death. And he was the expert who put them together. In 2004, the cause of death and manner of death were separated as two separate functions and one went to a coroner`s jury. And that`s where the problem was, because there was not proper representation to the coroner`s jury.
But when one person was put in charge with all the right information, it`s clear. And everybody that sees it, Dr. Badin, Dr. Bloom and the current coroner, it` homicide.
GRACE: Dr. Morrone, the defense attorney Joel Brodsky, for Drew Peterson is trying to contest the findings of this autopsy, saying that in fact she died of a heart problem and these bruises were all old. Response.
MORRONE: I`ve seen the hearts on people who have had heart attacks. The heart is sliced kind of like a salami or a loaf of bread. And it`s evident. And those are standard operating procedures and there`s no documentation of any infarction of the heart.
GRACE: To Susan Roesgen, what now?
SUSAN ROESGEN, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Now we wait for two things, Nancy, for the state police, the Illinois state police to complete their investigation of both the Kathleen Savio murder and the Stacy Peterson disappearance, and the grand jury, a secret grand jury has to do its investigation, too. So we don`t know when a suspect might be named
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Post by Lorie Taylor on Mar 31, 2008 1:24:45 GMT -6
tinyurl.com/yp57ktMarch 7, 2008 Southwest News-Herald - City & Suburban By RAY HANANIA ANSWERS IN PETERSON CASE: Why hasn�t the Orland Park Police reprimanded or investigated the officer who reportedly used his influence to convince the Will County Coroner�s Jury that Kathleen Savio�s March 1, 2004 death was not a homicide? Savio is the third wife of sleazy former Bolingbrook cop Drew Peterson, whose fourth wife Stacy has been missing since Oct. 28. The unnamed Orland Park cop told the jury, which wanted to find the Savio death a homicide, that Drew is a �family man� who would never do something like that. Which family was he talking about? Of course, we can�t forget that it was two Orland Park officers who helped keep tabs on Diane Masters before her mobbed-up husband, Alan, had his Sheriff�s Police stooges kill her. Why is Will County Coroner Patrick O�Neil not being held to account, either, after bungling this case so badly? Anytime you get a case involving the death of the wife of any police officer, the case should get special handling to protect the innocent, not the �police brotherhood.�
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Post by Lorie Taylor on Apr 17, 2008 21:29:58 GMT -6
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Post by Lorie Taylor on Apr 17, 2008 22:17:00 GMT -6
gretawire.foxnews.com/ FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE Contacts: Charles B. Pelkie Sgt. Thomas J. Burek Feb. 21, 2008 Pathologist declares Kathleen Savio’s death a homicide JOLIET – Will County State’s Attorney James Glasgow announced today that his office has received the final report on the autopsy performed on the remains of Kathleen S. Savio on Nov. 13, 2007. Dr. Larry W. Blum, the forensic pathologist who performed the autopsy, concludes in his report that the actual cause of Kathleen Savio’s death was drowning and that the legal manner of death was homicide. Dr. Blum’s report was delivered to the Will County Coroner’s Office on Thursday, Feb. 21, 2008 and immediately forwarded to the Will County State’s Attorney’s Office and the Illinois State Police. “Dr. Blum’s forensic report renders his expert opinion that this is a homicide,†State’s Attorney Glasgow said. “We have been investigating this as a murder since reopening the case in November of last year. We now have a scientific basis to formally and publicly classify it as such.†The complete autopsy report is a component of the investigation into the March 1, 2004 death of Kathleen Savio and will not be released. However, the Will County State’s Attorney’s Office and the Illinois State Police are releasing the following quote from the conclusion in Dr. Blum’s report: “It is my opinion based on my education, training, experience and personal observations, and to a reasonable degree of medical and scientific certainty, compelling evidence exists to support the conclusions that the cause of death of Kathleen S. Savio was drowning and further, that the manner of death was homicide.†This was the second autopsy performed on Kathleen Savio’s remains. The first was performed shortly after her death in March 2004. Her body was exhumed on the morning of Nov. 13, 2007, and Dr. Blum performed the second autopsy that afternoon. In his report, Dr. Blum notes that he reviewed photos taken from the scene at the time of Kathleen Savio’s death as well as reports of the initial scene investigation. He also carefully examined the physical location of Kathleen Savio’s death on Nov. 20, 2007 as part of his investigation. His report includes the results of microscopic examinations and toxicological tests conducted on postmortem tissue specimens. The specimens examined by Dr. Blum were collected during the first autopsy on March 2, 2004, the second autopsy performed by Dr. Blum on Nov. 13, 2007, and a third autopsy performed by Dr. Michael Baden on behalf of Kathleen Savio’s family on Nov. 16, 2007. The results of those examinations and tests are part of the investigation and are not being disclosed at this time. The Illinois State Police are investigating the murder of Kathleen Savio as well as the disappearance of Stacy Peterson. Kathleen Savio’s murder and Stacy Peterson’s disappearance are simultaneously being investigated by a Special Grand Jury that was convened in November 2007
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Post by Lorie Taylor on Apr 21, 2008 9:25:11 GMT -6
cbs2chicago.com/local/kathleen.savio.homicide.2.570332.htmlExpert: It's Not Normal To Die Accidentally In Tub Independent M.E. Calls Death Of Kathleen Savio, 3rd Wife Of Drew Peterson, A Homicide ROMEOVILLE, Ill. (CBS) ― An independent medical examiner says the death of Drew Peterson's third wife was not an accident, as teams continue to search for his fourth wife. As CBS 2's Rafael Romo reports, nationally renowned pathologist and former New York City chief medical examiner Dr. Michael Baden concluded that Kathleen Savio died in a homicide. He said it was evident that she had been the victim of foul play after just taking a first look at Savio's body, which was exhumed earlier this week. "My experience has been normal, healthy adults don't die accidentally in bathtubs, period," Baden said. Savio died on March 1, 2004, and her body was found in a whirlpool-style bathtub. At the time, the Will County coroner's office ruled that she had died in an accidental drowning, but Will County State's Attorney James Glasgow said in light of the disappearance of Drew Peterson's fourth wife, Stacy, an exhumation and new autopsy were warranted. Baden said the first red flag that indicated foul play was that the body had about a dozen bruises, including a laceration on her head. "You don't get that drowning in a bathtub," Baden said. Savio's own family members say they have believed all along that she died in a homicide. "It wasn't a surprise when we heard," said Savio's sister, Sue Savio-Doman. Savio's relatives said they are relieved the truth is finally being revealed, but cannot understand why it took so long. "It took another person. That is not right," Savio-Doman said. "It took another person to be missing to realize my sister was murdered?" The official Will County autopsy conducted after Savio's exhumation this week found that she died of drowning, but did not determine a manner of death, such as accident or homicide. It is expected to take a few more days before a ruling is made on the manner of death. A grand jury is also investigating the case. Meanwhile, volunteers and organizers say a new search will be conducted for Stacy Peterson every day until she or her body is found. They began their search Saturday at the Country Inn and Suites in Romeoville.
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Post by Lorie Taylor on Oct 8, 2009 1:47:04 GMT -6
State Police Lt. Scott Compton said that Collins was on leave and
unavailable and that Hardy “had the knowledge necessary to appear
before the coroner’s inquest.” He said investigators followed agency
procedure.
WHY WAS COLLINS ON LEAVE AND UNAVAILABLE?
DID WE EVER FIND THIS OUT? I CAN'T REMEMBER IM TRYING TO LOOK AND FIND OUT.
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Post by Lorie Taylor on Oct 8, 2009 1:47:33 GMT -6
Chicago Tribune August 18, 2008 Monday New questions target Savio case Investigators, experts ask why cops in 2004 were quick to dismiss idea that Drew Peterson's 3rd wife, Kathleen Savio (right), was slain When Kathleen Savio's lifeless body was discovered in the empty bathtub of her Bolingbrook home in 2004, state police immediately decided her death was not suspicious, a Will County deputy coroner's report obtained by the Tribune shows. The investigators and experts re-examining her death as a possible murder are now asking how police could have been so quick to overlook signs that something sinister may have happened to the third wife of Drew Peterson, then a sergeant for the Bolingbrook Police Department. They are suspicious about the absence of blood residue or a sediment ring on the walls of the tub where she was found, sources said. If she had bled from a head wound while drowning in slowly draining water -- as the theory went -- why was the tub not stained? No towels or clothes were in the bathroom where she was discovered, a paramedic noted. Shampoo bottles were in upright positions along the small tub, unlikely if she had suffered a fall, according to a source. Books and papers were spread across her unmade bed and a picture was facedown on the floor near the nightstand, according to Illinois State Police reports also obtained by the Tribune. Although a state police crime-scene technician had covered Savio's hands with bags to preserve evidence -- a procedure that typically precedes a homicide investigation -- the statements of police that night indicated no evidence of trauma or foul play, according to the deputy coroner's report. An autopsy would show a 40-year-old woman in good health had drowned. A coroner's jury ruled her death an accident after a state police special agent testified Savio had probably fallen, hit her head and drowned in the water before it leaked out the drain. But the case was reopened in November after Peterson's fourth wife, Stacy, then 23, disappeared Oct. 28. Authorities named Peterson the prime suspect in her disappearance, and in February, State's Atty. James Glasgow called the Savio inquiry a murder investigation after a second autopsy indicated her death was a homicide. Glasgow said it appeared the scene was staged to look like an accidental drowning. Peterson, 54, has not been named a suspect in Savio's case. He has denied any wrongdoing. The police reports confirm speculation that Stacy Peterson gave him his principal alibi for his whereabouts in the days before Savio was discovered. The reports also show he was walking around the scene before state police arrived. At one point, he was alone in the bathroom with Savio's body and told emergency responders, "This is my ex-wife. Treat the scene with respect." According to a report from that night, Deputy Coroner Mike VanOver asked Robert Deel, a crime scene technician for the state police, and "detectives if there was any reason to believe that this was a traumatic death and they stated NO, therefore the homicide/suspicious death protocol was not followed." VanOver wrote in his report that he had notified his superiors that "the protocol was not being followed ... because it was felt at that time by all parties that there were not signs of foul play or trauma for this death investigation." Only a streak of blood was found in the tub, according to VanOver's report, police documents and testimony by the state police special agent at the coroner's inquest. State police Lt. Scott Compton declined to comment on why his agency's technicians and investigators concluded the death was not suspicious, noting that crime-scene technicians "make observations and document those observations as part of their investigation and processing of a crime scene." He declined to comment further. In an interview with the Tribune, VanOver said he was following the direction of state police. The coroner's office has been under fire for its role in Savio's investigation. On Monday, the Republican-controlled Will County Board will consider putting a referendum measure on the November ballot asking voters whether the elected coroner, now Democrat Patrick O'Neil, should be replaced by an appointed medical examiner. "When they bagged the hands, that was when I asked the question, you know, 'Do you think anything is out of whack here?'" VanOver said. "Bob Deel was asked by me if he thought there was anything hinky here, and stuff like that, and if we should be doing something different, and I was told no." Deel could not be reached for comment. Savio's body was found March 1, 2004, in a semifetal position on her left side, according to the reports. Neighbors discovered the body after Peterson contacted them because he couldn't get ahold of her to drop off their two children from a weekend visit. About 10:40 p.m., a locksmith let them into Savio's home, and Peterson waited outside while neighbors went into the house. He rushed inside after one of them screamed. Illinois State Police arrived about midnight, after Bolingbrook police called them. Police interviewed Stacy Peterson for one hour March 3. She said she and her husband had spent the weekend with the children, backing up Peterson's statements made to police a day earlier. She said they had spent Saturday hanging around the house and had gone to the Shedd Aquarium Sunday. The only time Peterson left was Sunday morning to get doughnuts. Savio was found the next day, a Monday. Peterson told police during his 65-minute interview that his divorce from Savio was "difficult at times," but that their "relationship had gotten a lot better" after he married Stacy. Savio's relatives, who were never convinced she died in an accidental drowning, said police ignored their suspicions. For one thing, said Savio's older sister, Anna Doman, her body was found with short fingernails. "It looked like somebody had cut her nails. She always let her nails grow; she was into that natural, long nail," Doman said. Doman said no one in her family was interviewed by state police. She said authorities ignored her request to look through a suitcase full of documents Savio had saved regarding her ongoing fight with Peterson. Savio's body was found weeks before their divorce's financial settlement was to be finalized. "We tried to get somebody to at least look, investigate," Doman said. "Nothing, nothing, nothing." www6.lexisnexis.com/publisher/End....0020825&docId=l:838357533&start=4 |
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Post by Lorie Taylor on Nov 2, 2009 8:44:30 GMT -6
Awesome find by Facsmiley, on Justice Cafe: November 1, 2009 at 6:54 pm | #181 Quote facsmiley : I was going through some old saved stuff and came across a weird assertion made by Joel Brodsky and posted May 2008 at the SYM forum. Drew’s timeline (as given in Drew Peterson Exposed) for the day Kathleen’s body discovered states: “He goes to work at 5 p.m. and goes to Savio’s house at 7 p.m.” Yet when Joel was asked if Drew was on duty when he went to the house he replied: “No. He was off duty at the time, (but in uniform as he was coming off his shift) “ A two hour shift? petersonstory.wordpress.com/2009/10/29/tribute-to-stacy-peterson-stolen-in-the-night/#comment-54761 |
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